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Pierre Huguet's avatar

Great article on what had me worried ( and still does) in training models: "The Most Forbidden Technique." (Zvi Mowshowitz) …

The rule is: you train on the final output only. never on the reasoning process, and never on the interpretability signal that reveals it.

Basically: A model that hides its bad thoughts isn't aligned. it's just gotten better at lying to the people who built it.

Alignment first!

Silas's avatar

This lands.

"When a test provides no way to fail that costs less than everything, the test has surreptitiously made honesty the most expensive option on the table" is the hinge.

The railway framing helps because it keeps the question practical instead of moralized. A system without a safe failure mode does not become safer by being told to fail less. It just learns that concealment may be cheaper than visible incapacity.

What especially stayed with me is your distinction between detecting the bad outcome and building the exit in advance. Too much discussion of alignment still treats the discovered cheat as the primary datum, when often the more revealing datum is the structure that made honest failure functionally unaffordable.

"Build the door" is exactly right.

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